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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on May 19, 2005 16:32:01 GMT -5
Pan your right and dude uh Faust Jesus wasn't human! he is GOD's son who came in the form of a human to save your yes your life!
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on May 19, 2005 17:19:25 GMT -5
I never said I didn't beleive in Jesus, man. And lets leave the whole Jesus is a human thing alone cuz in actuality he's a man/god.
Hopefully we all can have a nice conversation thread here. Its been really good so far, no name calling and nothing really uncalled for.
Oh, and I hope its a given that no matter what religion or beliefs we have we are all human beings. I think it would be uncalled for to stop talking to someone all together on this site just because your views differ.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on May 19, 2005 19:05:05 GMT -5
Way to go Faust, well said.
I think religion needs to be tolerated, not debated. We should share our religions, the ideas, and in turn we should all be open to hearing these views, especially if one so freely throws around their beliefs. As it's been said "If you can dish it, you have to be willing to take it".
I'm not saying anyone here is wrong, but I think there are times when people are very hypocritical when it comes to religion. That doesn't make them a bad person, but more a "close-minded" person. I mean, you can't go around saying everyone elses' religion is wrong and then when they say you're wrong, you freak out about it (srry, using that "you" word again. I mean no one in particular)
As Faust said, I don't think anyone should ever stop talking to another or see them as a bad person just because they don't believe the same as you do. That would not be right at all.
Sorry, I don't really want to take sides, but I now see someone with similar views as I. I guess it makes me happy to see I am not alone. :-P
And just so everyone knows, I am my brother's sponser for his confirmation, so yes, I believe in God. I just have different views on a few things.
I'm open to hearing everyone's views and I look forward to reading everyone's future posts.
Faust, You and I should talk sometime. Seems like you and I have very similar views!
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on May 19, 2005 19:23:58 GMT -5
Hmmm...that puts an interesting delimma... Silver, can't you tolerate people who aren't tolerant? ; ) You're right, though; there's no reason all of us can't get along and treat each other with decency and respect.
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on May 19, 2005 19:29:36 GMT -5
I think most people can tolerate intolerant ( ) ppl, just its kinda a conversation stopper. Ppl need to freely share ideas and opinions cuz it'll help us all grow into better people.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on May 19, 2005 19:36:14 GMT -5
Yup! *cheers* Only, it's important not to be disappointed when you don't change anyone's mind...
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on May 19, 2005 19:41:02 GMT -5
Well I'm not here to change minds, just to voice my ideas.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on May 19, 2005 19:42:18 GMT -5
Sorry..."you" didn't mean...you...as in yourself. I meant that if anyone is here to change another person's mind...that person may as well give it up. That only happens once in a greeeeatly long while. Anyway, I've said enough...*blush*
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on May 19, 2005 21:25:04 GMT -5
Those dang-ed "you"s.... Grumble, grumble... hehehe
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Post by Trinity on May 19, 2005 22:17:09 GMT -5
NO FLAMING!!!! Not that anyone is, but I don't want it to get to that point because that really makes me sad...
And I fully agree that you yourself can't make a person change their mind. Only God can change the heart, He just uses us to show His glory in the process.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on May 20, 2005 14:44:38 GMT -5
Er...yes'm...never, never will I be caught flaming! *singes self saluting with lightsaber*
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Post by sblomietheinsane on May 20, 2005 14:46:41 GMT -5
That depends. In the end, it's always God, never the person. Yes, he used you, but when was the last time you heard this voice, booming from the heavens saying, "REPENT...." And that particular verse from Corinthians, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" doesn't necessarily mean anything, like just because yuou ask God to help you get an A on your math test doesn't mean you will.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoever said God is like a grandfather, always giving you candy and stuff? God is so much more than that! He can become angry, and jealous-just read the Old Testament and you'll see he smites(hehe... smites) down the unfaithful right and left. Have you read the Greek/Roman myths? God is more like Zeus, a little bit at least. Almighty, all-powerful, slow to anger and abounding in love.
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Post by Jareth on May 27, 2005 19:53:26 GMT -5
I think religion needs to be tolerated, not debated. We should share our religions, the ideas, and in turn we should all be open to hearing these views, especially if one so freely throws around their beliefs. As it's been said "If you can dish it, you have to be willing to take it". I whole heartedly concur. For one thing, no one likes to be argued with, for another, what kind of example are Christians giving, trying to shove the Bible down people's throats.
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Jun 13, 2005 11:11:54 GMT -5
Amen to the first part of the sentence! But I do believe the Bible is completely God's Word - anything having to do with the Bible that would make it unworthy of trust would have to do with errors in translation, omissions, or additions by people, who are of course fallible. I believe the original Bible said exactly what God wanted it to say, and I often wish I understood those old languages so that I could fully grasp the meaning of the words. Lost in translation, as they say. Some ideas simply cannot carry across the same way when put into a different tongue, no matter how talented and dedicated to God the translator may be. That's why I like having several different versions available to me, to compare and contrast verses, to determine what it was originally saying.
Yes! Which is something a lot of people misunderstand, and therefore get frustrated if God doesn't show up and get them their driver's licence, or heal their toothache. God does exactly what he means to do, and everything that he wants accomplished through you is possible to do. Whether or not we actually always do what he asks, however...
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Post by Trinity on Jun 13, 2005 18:46:13 GMT -5
This verse gives me so much hope. NOTHING is too big or bad for God. I have a lot of obstacles in my life right now that, if I didn't believe this about God, I would feel so hopeless, afraid, and miserable. God DOES help. In referring to math, I just took my final and I studied and prayed so hard that I would pass. I haven't figured out my grade yet, but I felt such a peace and a calm knowing that God was with me and He would help me that I feel like I did fine on the actual test. When we are at our weakest, God is at His strongest in our lives. He will strengthen us according to His will.
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Post by Cy Otauna on Jul 24, 2005 9:59:46 GMT -5
Topic: Christian marketing. It's become popular lately to 'modernize' Christian evangelism; put it on t-shirts, videos, rock music and even rap. The article I read in Reader's Digest said that some Christians though that this was a 'secularization' of the faith, and others think it is an excellent way to spread the Message. Opinions?
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Post by Trinity on Jul 24, 2005 11:44:09 GMT -5
I think that it is a good way to spread the message. Have any of you ever been to the Christian store C28? It's a really awesome store that sells really cute clthing that is Christian and appealing. And I think witnessing through music is also a good thing. People like good music, and if a song grabs their attention, then they are going to listen to it and eventually learn the lyrics, which is awesome if they are Christian.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jul 24, 2005 19:01:03 GMT -5
I think it depends...we have to be VERY careful not to be irreverent. Also, it's important to make sure what you get is really something good, and not just something worldly with a Christian label slapped on. For example, if someone gets immodest clothing with Christian symbols, that would be offensive to me. If they wear a symbol of the cross, but don't act like a Christian, then that would be offensive. But there's nothing wrong with be "modern" and going with the flow. Christians should be involved in all areas of life to be a good influence. We don't need to be "backward".
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Post by Cy Otauna on Jul 31, 2005 19:05:07 GMT -5
I think it depends...we have to be VERY careful not to be irreverent. Also, it's important to make sure what you get is really something good, and not just something worldly with a Christian label slapped on. For example, if someone gets immodest clothing with Christian symbols, that would be offensive to me. If they wear a symbol of the cross, but don't act like a Christian, then that would be offensive. quote] Agree. I think C28 was the store the mag spoke of. I am looking for a cross right now to wear as a prayer warrior, but have only a cool camp dogtag. Heh.
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Post by Violet Jade Skywalker on Jul 31, 2005 19:49:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with Trinity and Joan. It's good as long as the clothes aren't immodest, or the Christians aren't 'hipocrits', so to speak; etc.
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