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Post by Tiana, eh? on Jun 22, 2005 1:12:40 GMT -5
By the Force, I am so walking the line of tempa-banning all of you... I would like to point out that Kaiya has been taking two sides here, in a sense. In the other thread she's using the OT as an excuse as for why we're not believing the Bible, and here she's completely going against that... And you are all very close to flaming. You have gotten very off topic. This is a discussion on Creation vs Evolution. I say the world was created simply for the facts that no explosion could have created the animals and the trees and the rivers that I know and love. To me, evolution is merely an excuse to make us accountable to ourselves, rather than accepting that there's a creator out there who knows each hair on our heads. Because I can look at the world around me know that there was someone to put it together with love in his hands. No explosion or evolution could have made what we all love. And why do I believe in God and the Bible when there's no "written in stone" proof? The same reason that I believe Shakespeare existed. There's the exact same amount of proof that he existed as Jesus Christ existed. I've chose to believe they exist. Now. No where have we condemed homosexuals. I don't appreciate the practise-- I find it disgusting-- but it's a sin, just as so many other things. Nowhere have I seen it said that gay people will go to hell. And sex is clearly laid out for marrige only. When you do things like that, you tear a piece of yourself off. And it's clearly said in the Bible-- OT and NT-- that sex is for marryed couples. And fasting is no where said as something you have to do. Sometimes you might feel you have to... *Shrugs* Well, then that's you. Nowhere is it wrote THOU SHALT NOT EAT OR THOU SHALT BE CONDEMED. I will not go back onto the topic of how you are saved. You all know my thoughts on that. And also, fasting isn't just not eating. I've done computer fasts before. *shrugs* It's merely cutting yourself off of something to focus on another thing. Please stay on topic now. If you wish to discuss animal sacrifices, homosexuals, or suchnot, you may feel free to make a new thread. I will be watching this thread (though, as usual, not posting much because I'm trying to avoid flaming people). If any flaming starts coming from this, I will have no hesitation to shutting it down, and giving all the people involved warnings. ALL. (yes, including you, Trinity) As for slavery... it was merely the way that jobs worked in that time. MUST we get into the topic again on time changing lifestyles. Anyway. Back on topic: The Big Bang Theory: God spoke, and BANG, it happened. Yeah, I love stupid catch phrases.
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Post by Master Warious on Jun 22, 2005 6:44:35 GMT -5
But it's a COOL stupid catch phrase...*pouts*
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 22, 2005 8:03:54 GMT -5
"By the Force, I am so walking the line of tempa-banning all of you..."
I so be it....I don't really see anywhere that says people would deserve it and I really see no where that indicates a flaming war. Yeah, this topic has gone OT, but almost every topic in this discussion board has at some point or another. It's like common conversation.
Ban me if you will. I don't see a good enough reason for doing so however.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 22, 2005 9:53:37 GMT -5
Ditto.
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on Jun 22, 2005 9:57:55 GMT -5
I agree. Who are you thinking of tempa banning, huh?
Joan, Kaiya, Silver, and myself?
I don't see a big reason to ban those above^
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 22, 2005 11:13:31 GMT -5
I don't see a reason either. We're all being quite civilized about things and, though I can't speak for others, I certainly wouldn't consider flaming anyone here or holding anything that they say against them. We're voicing our opinions and making our points in a calm and intelligent manner, discussing matters that we deem to be important.
And let me clear up this matter about me "taking two sides"... My recent posts here have all been simply giving examples of how every Christian disregards certain parts of the Bible, and every Christian has their reasons to justify it. I was pointing out that we shouldn't be so hypocritical of each other and constantly tell each other to stop throwing out parts of the Bible when, in a sense, everyone does it. I'm not saying that I agree with the Old Testament laws. Quite the opposite. I disregard laws of fasting and sacrifices and cleansing rituals and slavery and religious holidays like the Day of Attonement... No one that has posted here follows these rules. That's my point entirely. No one follows all of the Old Testament for various and assorted reasons. This point pertains to my views on evolution, which is what this thread is all about.
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Post by Jareth on Jun 22, 2005 13:06:58 GMT -5
I think if you read it from outside the conversation, you might feel that it was a little.... agressive.
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Post by Jareth on Jun 22, 2005 13:15:01 GMT -5
but I'm almost positive (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) that you think that homosexuals are going to hell. you can be homosexual and a Christian, doesn't mean it's right, but we break the laws of the Bible every minute, when you look at someone and really really hate them, than that's as good as murder in your mind. and the same for other laws of the Bible. We are sinners, murder is just as bad as lying, to God. it's sin, if you're homosexual, or you lie to your parents you're a sinner, it's all the same to God. a murderer who accepted Christ is going to heaven, a liar who hasn't, is going to hell.
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Post by CJ on Jun 22, 2005 13:58:32 GMT -5
hmmm, but taking a life is much worse than lying, I'd be careful who you say that to.
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Post by Admin Leader on Jun 22, 2005 17:04:39 GMT -5
GAH... *hits head*
I said TEMPA banning all of you. Which would entail a week offline of MEI. I was a bit annoyed when I posted that for personal reasons in reality. I would only warn all of you, thinking over it a bit more rationally. But you're walking the line of flaming, and I don't appreciate that. For questions-- I said all of you, and that would entail everyone posting in this thread.
Trinity, Kaiya, Silver, Jack, Jareth, Joan, and Faust. No one unincluded.
My thoughts exactly. Now PLEASE return to the topic that this was made for and make new threads for the sake of your other topics. Jack, I know that in our lifestyle taking a life is worse than lying, but it says somewhere in the Bible that all sin is equal in God's eyes. *shrugs*
Exactly, thank you. This thread is on Evolution vs Creation. Keep it that way, to everyone whose posts DON'T pertrain to their views?
I don't mind the offtopicness if it still has some degree of similarity to the original topic at all. It's the fact that this is getting to be rather insulting to a few members, and I know that if it keeps up someone's going to get angry or hurt and start flaming. Then I'll have a large mess to clean up rather than the small one. As admin, it's my job to step in when I'm PMed about a conversation getting a bit too offensive. *shrugs* Take it as you will, I'm just trying to keep MEI what it orignally was made for.
A site where EVERYONE could feel welcome, without the political and religious restraints of reality. Thank you.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 22, 2005 17:07:47 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you include anything about religion anywhere, these are the risks you take and will continue to take. These discrepensies won't ever end. Not now and not in the future.
...just something for you to remember.
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Post by Tiana, eh? on Jun 22, 2005 17:43:14 GMT -5
And I do know that, I just intend on making those risks as little as possible. Which mean stepping in and locking, or at least warning when things grow to the point of a PM. I don't mind you debating it-- I certainly don't mind you starting your own topics, either in this board or the other reality board-- it's just when it starts getting personal that I won't let it go further. This one's still... okay. *makes edgy fingers* But given a bit longer, I think that one of us would've started yelling at one of you...
And that just doesn't go. I know that you'll always have those descreptincies with us, but if we can keep them quieter, and just discuss politely our viewpoints, it would be easier on me and other mods and gmods and suchnot... (sighs) So much for LotR/SW crossover site...
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Post by Jareth on Jun 22, 2005 18:42:37 GMT -5
what IS flaming, anyway?
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 22, 2005 19:23:22 GMT -5
LOL! Not laughing at you...just remembering the time I had to look that up...*g*
Flame - criticize somebody electronically: to deluge somebody with offensive and disparaging e-mail
This has come to apply to posting. Think "inflammatory messages".
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Jun 23, 2005 15:56:56 GMT -5
A sin is a sin, and it's stated clearly as such in the Bible. God's measuring rod does not account for whether you lied to someone or shot them in the head. As humans, we most certainly see a MASSIVE difference between the two, but whether or not we see it that way, these two sins will have equal impacts in the spiritual world. I myself have difficulties seeing it this way, and I know that many disagree. But it's stated plainly in the Bible.
Heh...okay...well, I suppose I'm getting back to the beginning here. But I had to put in my two cents, you see.
And you know what? I agree, for this reason: when God created Adam and Eve all the way back at the beginning, they were perfect, which I will take to mean they had 100% use of their brain capacity. Studies today show that we have about 10%. The idea of gradual degradation of creation through the years since the Fall can account for a lot of things. Since Adam and Eve were perfect, their genetics were also perfect. The sin of incest did not exist in those days because, with perfect DNA, inbreeding would not have been a problem, disgusting a thought as it is today. But the DNA began to have imperfections as well, and therefore it's stated clearly to us in the Bible that incest is wrong.
I read an article once about the faults of carbon dating. Apparently, a completely fossilised lower leg was found in the southwestern US deserts, within a cowboy boot that had been made in 1945. The leg was carbon dated, and the results came back that it had been alive 6 million years ago. I can't recall the sources of this article, and I can't place a guarantee that this is true about the leg. But it's certainly something to think about.
Personally, I cannot make myself believe in Otzi or Lucy or Neanderthal Man or any of these things. Going back to the belief that the world was flat - I agree with one of Silver's earlier comments. It's true that many scientists knew better, but the masses were ignorant of the truth. It's just the way of the herd, and that's how beliefs worked the majority of the time back then. Things are different in some ways now, in the sense of knowledge and tolerance going hand in hand. However, I still believe there is no reason to think that the populace is still being led about blindly on some matters. Might sound like I'm babbling about conspiracy theories, I know...heh. But that's the way I see it.
Science is a gift to man, a way for us to explore the marvels of God's creation. I'm sure it's also been used in a twisted way, giving people false assumptions. But like anything, when it comes down to it, I will look to the Bible for truth first.
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Post by Caffeinerush on Jun 29, 2005 15:11:05 GMT -5
I've read most of this over, and decided to step in.
"None of you keep slaves, but I'm almost positive (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) that you think that homosexuals are going to hell. "
I also believe what trinity said. It doesn't matter what, where, who, or how. If you are a Christian you are forgiven of any sin.
"it's either accept that Jesus died and forget about certain rules, or refuse to accept that Jesus came and rid us of them. it's one or the other. one's black, one's white, no gray. "
Unfortunatly there is a very large gray area. Its called luke-warm living. You can be partly in to something, but still have habbits of evil. Some people are confused between what to believe(atheists). Would you say those people are black or white?
I do believe some things from the Old Testament should be kept. Tithing and fasting are two that come to mind. Most of all, you should be in tune with the holy spirit. Get to know him, and ask him these questions. It will become evident which ones should be followed. If you don't get anything, then your church should all pray, and ask God what rules are good, and which ones are just a hinderace from the past. That's what I think.
I hope people aren't taking this too heavily or too lightly, I've been folowing this topic for awhile, and I didn't think it was out of line/agressive, as of yet anyway.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 29, 2005 17:03:44 GMT -5
Thank you, Caffeinerush! I'm glad you decided to get involved...
Sadly, those people are "black". Since we are sinners by nature (you can see my defense of this in the original sin topic) we all start out "dark". If God has not brought us to His light, then that's where we stay. Even "good" people. Even people trying to do what they think is right. Tough to accept...but Biblical.
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Post by Caffeinerush on Jun 29, 2005 17:45:00 GMT -5
Now that you put it into that context I agree, but I was refering to how people live (their actions). Some people are all for God, while others Christians sit still waiting for their death and then their automatic ticket to heaven. But that's a whole different discussion (sorry for off-topicness).
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 30, 2005 1:48:24 GMT -5
I like to say that I believe there is no black and there is no white. Perhaps there is only gray. No one can be so sure that what they believe is absolutely true. No one has proof that if shown to a non believer of their religion would say "wow, look at that. That religion must be right". You all have your bibles, your religious books, your beliefs, but you are all still in the grey. Only in death will you know what is truth, what was truth. Everyone is grey because no person other than God knows the absolute truth. While you may think you know it, you cannot prove it.
I hate when people say "everyone who is not Christian is in the black because they are dark and have not been shown the light" (said in so many words) But remember this: I'm sure there are muslims, Jews, etc. sitting around saying the same thing about you. Religion is not a one sided thing. Christians think there religion is right, but on the other hand, every other religion in existance thinks they are right. In my mind, everyone is partly right, and everyone is partly wrong. EVERYONE is grey.
Hehe, this post was partly inspired by watching the Daily Show on Comedy Central. This late at night, anything makes sense and yes, the dude did have some good points.
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on Jun 30, 2005 9:55:13 GMT -5
I agree with Silver. 'Nuff said on my part.
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