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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jun 9, 2005 22:33:40 GMT -5
I used to go to a "Christian School" and the teachers were all old and said that drums were evil...yah stupid. they said that Christan rock and rap was evil and expected us to listen to classical which isn't even Christian. Then they said that(this made me reeeally mad) that Christian conferences were evil! how can they say that when they see teens crying and excepting God for the first time?!
They also said that Girls should always wear dresses and I was like: NO WAY you can't have more than 2 pockets in your pants( I have no idea why) you can only have 1 hole in your ear....not me! mohawks are evil Goths are evil (that made me REALLY MAD!) and people who commit suicide go to Hell and I was REEEEEEEALLy mad at that! I got sooo mad and got in trouble alot for debating with the teachers! they also said that you have to be martyred to go to Heaven and that was the last straw I got my parents to take me to a public school and I have been WAY better off!
I still am a Christian and I am soo glad that I wasn't brainwashed by them. I don't believe that they truly know my savior!
I personally think that Jesus is cool with Christian rock and rap! I think he's glad that teens are worshiping him in their own way! what do you think?
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Post by Tiana, eh? on Jun 10, 2005 0:04:33 GMT -5
*stares horrified for a really, really, REALLY long time*
That's no Christian school, that's a school for making a bunch of little zombies that fit into their old fashioned standards! GAH! I agree, they don't truely know our saviour.
How can someone say that about Christian conferences? Have they ever been to one and seen people collapse in tears because they realized their errors in life? Have they ever seen millions (or so it seems) of other teenagers with the same beliefs in their salvation? Have they ever... GAH! *fuming* That's not Christian, that's ZOMBIEISM!!
*tempted to dig out Bible and refer to stuff against that*
Christian rock is not evil, Christian rock is merely another way of expressing your love for God, in my opinion. Certainly, rap and rock Christian can get really annoying at times, but have they read some of the lyrics? Pillar might be racket, but the lyrics which CAN be understood if you pay attention are INCREDIBLE.
Mohaks and millions of piercing are annoying, yes, but nowhere in my Bible have I seen anything that says Thou Shalt Not Cut Off All Thy Hair On the Side or Thou Shalt Burn.
And that pants thing... *rolls eyes* Sheesh.
People who commit suicide DO go to hell though. I have to look into finding that, but I know that taking your life before God intended you to die because you were sick of life is a serious sin.
Now.
That's the clincher against them, and thank you for leaving. That proves they aren't "Christian". Christians believe the following, to sum it up. Acts... um... gah... *hits head* Yes, from memory... stupid... 6:31 or something like that. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Basically, believe that he died for you, and that's that. Living a good life won't save you (to any non Christians reading this, I'm aware you do not believe this, I am speaking in deffirance to my own beliefs... I think that's the right word, but you know what I mean. A biased post and no offence at all to your beliefs) though living a good life IS good. Being nice to people and not killing your body is likewise a good thing to do, but it won't save you. And if you're martyred for your beliefs... well... *shrugs*
If their beliefs don't say that you have to believe in Jesus to get to heaven and that's the only way-- that you have to do more, or that you have to do this-- it's not truth. End of story.
And nowhere in the Bible have I seen "drums are evil. Do not use percussion insturments". God says to worship him, and through rock it's our generation's original way of expressing that. (And I admit that at one time I did think rock was evil... now I just think secular rock is... snrk)
And I rarely wear dresses and I have faith in my salvation. *grins*
Gothic beliefs are evil. Wearing black is not. Heh.
If anyone would like to challenge my opinion, and can back it up from the Bible... well... just, please, no flaming over this topic.
I agree with EK.
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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jun 10, 2005 9:25:43 GMT -5
yah and about the drum thing- it says in the Bible ...somewhere that worship him...beat on the drums.. and other stuff like that! I brought up that point to them and they were like "well he really didn't mean that." and I almost screamed! what do you mean he didn't MEAN it!?
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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jun 10, 2005 9:26:20 GMT -5
oh one more thing Gothic stuff isn't evil unless it's satanic..heh heh
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Post by Mundane Soul of a Thousand on Jun 10, 2005 12:04:49 GMT -5
Don't you just hate it when people say that something isn't good ((when it's the best thing you can do)) and really they don't know what they're talking about?
A boy told me in class once that Jesus was alive but now he's dead . . . obviuosly he never saw the Passion of the Christ or even bothered to read the Bible . . .
BTW I go to a public school too . . . ((I put up with an athiest teacher . . . he's nice but . . . *rolls eyes* insists that the BIG BANG theory is totally true, I once told him that it was proved wrong and he said that I was WRONG! How does a BIG bang make life forms? DOesn't it destroy? The only Big Bang I know is that: And God said let there be light and *BANG* there was LIGHT! And that IS a fact, God made light and dark, but an explosion in space creating a planet? Where -no HOW did space get there?))
I agree with Tiana and Eomer Kenobi here . . .
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Post by sblomietheinsane on Jun 10, 2005 14:23:27 GMT -5
That's so absoluetly..... augh, I can't even FIND a word horrible enough without... well, you know. That's just stupid, they're not Christians, they're legalists! And modern-day Pharisees! Augh, they're the sort of people that make non-Christians want to stay that way. It's really not fair because they make REAL Christians look bad.
It reminds of this group of people that visited my city a few months ago. They paraded around at the public schools wih signs about how evil abortion was and everyone who condones it is going to hell. They also told one of my Christian friends he was going to hell because he refused to take one of their brochures or support them.
Ok, I don't really agree with that, unless I'm shown direct evidence from the Bible. Yes, it's a sin, but so is adultery and drugs and speeding.
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Post by pepper on Jun 10, 2005 16:14:53 GMT -5
They also said that Girls should always wear dresses and I was like: NO WAY you can't have more than 2 pockets in your pants( I have no idea why) you can only have 1 hole in your ear....not me! mohawks are evil Goths are evil (that made me REALLY MAD!) and people who commit suicide go to Hell and I was REEEEEEEALLy mad at that! I got sooo mad and got in trouble alot for debating with the teachers! they also said that you have to be martyred to go to Heaven and that was the last straw I got my parents to take me to a public school and I have been WAY better off! That's outrageous!!! that's a messed up world view. they're getting too caught up in what they don't like. God laid simple rules down in the Bible, who needs more complications?
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 10, 2005 16:44:16 GMT -5
Hmmm...that's tough, EK. Don't get too upset, though: you have to be really, REALLY conservative before it's bad...but going in the other direction can get you into trouble pretty quickly, if you know what I mean. There certainly isn't anything WRONG with staying away from rap, or with wearing dresses... Trying to get everyone to see it your way is pretty bad, though...we need to be flexible. Honestly, people who make rules like that do so to make it easier on themselves: with no choices, you can't make the wrong ones, or so they think. Don't be too hard on them...
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Post by pepper on Jun 10, 2005 16:53:49 GMT -5
*sighs* it's so hard to respect ppl like that.
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Post by Fear Daughter on Jun 10, 2005 17:08:51 GMT -5
Yeah...*laughs at the though of self riding a horse in a dress*
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Post by sblomietheinsane on Jun 10, 2005 17:55:11 GMT -5
*dies laughing* That'd be... I dunno...
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Post by Mundane Soul of a Thousand on Jun 10, 2005 18:03:18 GMT -5
Riding a horse whilst wearing a dress? Heh they do that in the movies . . . real life is just well . . . fatuos -very . . . Mohawks being evil? I'm not even going to ask why they made up that rule . . .
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 10, 2005 22:00:01 GMT -5
*g*...yeah...EK may have been exaggerating a bit there?
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Post by Tiana, eh? on Jun 11, 2005 3:14:16 GMT -5
I'll see if I can locate direct evidence. I've had more than once pastor, councilor, whatever say that people who took their lives ahead of God's plan would go to hell. I have to agree because it's messing with what God intends. But as I do not have direct proof on that one at the moment, I will conceed.
*takes on serious tone for a second* There's nothing wrong with that, no. I know more than one person whose like that. However, saying you HAVE to do that or you're going to be eternally damned (forgive language) is wrong. Saying that you HAVE to do these things to be saved goes against everything we believe.
I love that line... I got my mom the keychain with that on it... "The Big Bang Theory: God Spoke, and BANG, it happened"... yeah.
The Big Bang can be scientifically proved wrong. It's like shooting a puzzle from a cannon and expecting itself to put itself together. Without burning up in the process. Then there's a law of something or another that says Disorder Does Not Create Order. And that, in itself, speaks against the Big Bang Theory.
But I digress. The creation is merely a theory as well, until someone goes back in time and sees what really happened. I believe in creation. If someone wants to believe in the Big Bang, they can. It's just not what I'd suggest...
Because whose to say we weren't actually little tiny cells that formed from a massive cloud in space that slowly cloned themselves over time into multi celled organisims that will, in time, turn into space cows? Heh.
I believe God spoke and that's how we came to be. We can't force other people to believe like we do. We can merely be an example of what we believe in. And try not to scare everyone in the process... I'm REALLY good at that. Bleh. Scaring people, I mean.
You can't say he DIDN'T MEAN IT! Sheesh. *glares at people who think like that* I mean, yes, some of the stuff is symbolism, to a degree. But there's clearly laid out stuff as well, rather than just confusing end times stuff. People worshiped in the "story" Bible books with drums and dancing and music. They didn't sit around in stuffy cells humming Mozart 24-7.
There's nothing wrong with being different if it doesn't go against the Bible. Nowhere does it say drums are evil. There's nothing wrong with not liking drums, it's just... sheesh.
*mutters to self* I must not condem people for different beliefs. I am not perfect. I must stop screaming about their obvious lack of sight. I must calm down. I must be Jedi-like...
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 11, 2005 10:51:39 GMT -5
Wow... Ok... Let me start off by saying that, yes, those people would probably make me mad enough to scream at them for hours on end. Their lack of tolerance is very clearly against my personal beliefs. Now, before I go any further, let me state that I am indeed a Christian. I have been all of my life, and I'm devoted enough that I pray every night, go to church every Sunday, and used to carry a gigantic Bible around school all the time. So please don't question my faith for what I'm about to say...
First of all, something that I saw that really bothered me was what you said about people going to hell if they commit suicide. If I had been in that classroom when they said that, I would've gotten up and walked out. My friend Philip Terry committed suicide in April last year. However, his father was a Baptist preacher, he spent his whole life in God's service, he believed in God with all of his heart, and he was constantly showing other people God's love by cheering up every person he came in contact with, no matter what their faith, social status, or personal behavior. I don't want anyone to tell me that because of one weak moment -- just one-- he is burning eternally in hell. Philip was sick with a depression disorder, one that he had been fighting for years. Since I too have a similar disorder, though not so intense as his, I can understand him wanting to leave this place, which seems so horrid at times, for some place better with his Creator. So believe what you want, but forcing other people to believe that suicide leads to hell is, in my opinion, a far worse sin.
Second, goths are NOT evil. While some may be wiccan or atheist, I hang out with quite a few that are Christian. Just because someone has a darker and more liberal view of the world does NOT make them evil.
Third, I don't understand why people seem to think that you have to believe in either creation or scientific theories, never both. I believe in both. In my opinion, none of us were there to see how the world was first created, so who's to tell us that God didn't slowly make us over thousands of years? I believe that God created everything on this earth. How did He do it? I leave that up to science to discover. No offense to you if you consider my beliefs to be wrong.
Finally, I don't believe that you have to be a martyr in order to get into heaven. I don't believe that you even have to be a Christian to get into heaven. I know that a LOT of people here will disagree with that, but that's one thing that I believe in so strongly that no one will ever convince me it's wrong except for God himself on the day I reach heaven. I believe that if you follow many of the teachings of Jesus Christ, aka you live a good life filled with love, compassion, mercy, and forgiveness, then you deserve the eternal kingdom. My God is a forgiving God who loves all of his children, Christian or not...
Oh, and if anyone wants to try and get me into a dress every day that doesn't look like it belongs in LOTR or Star Wars, be my guest... I'll sharpen my nails.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 11, 2005 12:16:50 GMT -5
May we have a creation/evolution thread? Pleeeeeeez???
Since following the teaching of Jesus is what Christianity is all about, your arguement doesn't really make any difference...
First of all, let me express my sympathy...that must be so terrible. My uncle committed suicide before I was born, and my mother says it is the most cruel sin anyone can ever commit. Not "worst" as if there were any sins that are "better" than others...but it causes the most pain. Yes, it is a sin...but wait! Jesus died for sinners! He is willing to forgive. We don't think about it, since the sinner never has time to realize his fault and repent, but that doesn't mean God cannot forgive that sin as well. To say that is to limit the unlimitable God.
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 11, 2005 12:49:13 GMT -5
Sorry if that didn't make much sense... Let me clarify. Christianity is about believing in God and believing that Jesus Christ is the son of God, as well as following in Jesus' footsteps. I meant that I believe that people can not believe in God or Jesus Christ, but if their own personal morals dictate that they lead a life similar to the one Jesus taught us to live, they will be able to enter heaven. So in other words, I believe in salvation through one's works, intentions, and morals, not just one's Christian beliefs.
And I appreciate your sympathy... When someone commits suicide, it tears apart every single person that one touched. Philip was considered one of the geeks at my school because he was into crazy music as well as science- fiction and fantasy, plus he loved to draw and had a weird sense of humor. And yet, someone that wasn't considered to be part of the "in crowd" caused the whole school to basically stop its activities for one day, drew a crowd to his memorial service that was so large that it not only filled the largest church in the county, but people had to stand along the walls, sit in the aisles, and sit on the floor all around the altar. When someone causes that many people that much pain, it's impossible to say that it isn't a sin. However, I agree with you completely. God forgives our sins. That is something that all Christians are taught over and over again.
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Post by Dûncariel is Dead. on Jun 11, 2005 15:11:55 GMT -5
The question of whether people who commit suicide go to heaven or not is a point that is absolutely pointless to argue over, because it is not specifically spoken about in the Bible. However, God does tell us not to commit murder. Murder's definition is the taking of a human life, not in my mind necessarily another's life, but including your own. God says that you enter heaven by being forgiven of your sins through Christ's sacrifice on the cross -- his blood covers out mistakes, and God forgets them forever. It also says in the Bible that a person who has given his/her life to Christ cannot be taken away, and is forever forgiven their sins.
However, my only question would be Why? If you have given your life over to Christ, and he rules in your heart, why would you commit suicide? This may seem like a question that is in poor taste, but trust me, it's not. I know multiple people who have committed suicide, so this subject is close to my heart. If God's love is present in your life, Why would you take it, and cause so many people the pain that you described? To me, suicide is the ultimate self-love. It's selfish -- who would honestly think of the people they are going to break when they end their life? To tell the truth, that is one of the only reasons I'm around today. I think of my family, my friends, and my best friend in particular. I remember waiting in a car with her when her throat was closing up, and fighting to hold together so that I wouldn't make her worse. But when her mom came and took her to the emergency room, I broke. I sat in my car, and wept for nearly half an hour before I could drive. If she had died, I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't be here today.
That really didn't have anything to do with what I was talking about, but it shows how much we value each other's lives. I really don't know if anything that I said made sense to any of you, but I hope it did.
On the rest of that -- Man, how obnoxious! I love my schoo -- 'tis Christian, but nothing like that. Our worship team plays rock. *hugs worship team* We do have a dress code, but it's nothing like that. Though, mohawks aren't allowed. 'Neat, Clean, and Modest'. But I can wear my Rockstar Jeans. And my etnies. *hugs etnies*
We can't take our discman's and stuff to school, and we're not allowed to listen to secular rock within the building, but that makes sense, because there is so much junk out there. But Kutless doesn't count. If you've ever heard the song 'Run', you'll know what I mean.
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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jun 11, 2005 15:28:15 GMT -5
I agree with kaiya! and no I was NOT exagerrating
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 13, 2005 9:32:35 GMT -5
One of the dearest, most dedicated, selfless Christians I know suffers from depression. Because of what's going on in her body, as well as her mind, sometimes she just can't see that her life is of any value. Her strength in Christ and her Christian friends have kept her safe, but not everyone is as firmly grounded. When you think of how selfish each one of us is naturally, and how faithless, even when we KNOW what Jesus has done for us, doesn't it make more sense to be surprised at how many Christians DON'T commit suicide? It's always amazing how much sin we're saved from, when you have a right perspective of who we are as sinners.
Hmmm...in that case, do you believe that the Bible is the Word of God? Because Romans 3:23,24 says,
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"
Continuing in Romans 3:27,28,
"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law."
That seems pretty clear: faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved. Not through works, or good intentions.
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