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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 22, 2005 17:57:44 GMT -5
Ummm...post here! This is the continuation from Jareth's sadly battered "Six Question"...LOL
But remember that we're being watched! Although...we should be nice even when we're not being watched...right...?
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Post by Trinity on Jun 22, 2005 18:44:01 GMT -5
Thanks for starting the thread, Joan! Alright, discuss away...
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Post by Jareth on Jun 23, 2005 19:03:27 GMT -5
of topic: I like your new siggy, Trinity!
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2005 19:37:39 GMT -5
Thanks! Now, on with the topic!
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Post by Tiana, eh? on Jun 23, 2005 21:27:00 GMT -5
All right... the topic in the Six Questions thread was on sins-- do we learn to sin by example only, or are we born into evil deeds?
The arguement was mainly that if someone was raised by animals, would they grow up and learn to lie? Or would they only learn by example, and unless they were within human life, they would never lie.
I have a very edgy opinion on this, not certain what I believe in this statement. I believe we are born into evil deeds-- no one teaches someone to sin-- but I believe we also learn our sins by example. If my parents, for example, drunk and lay around doing nothing, I would probably do likewise. We do what we see... a child is going to learn to speak English if that's what his parents speak.
If his parents spoke only Huttese, though, that's what he or she would learn to speak.
My parents both work hard-- dad outside the home to support the family, mom inside. And I've learned from that example.
Yet even animal cultures would have their missteps and wrongdoings. I believe that no matter where you go, some forms of sin is going to erupt. But I believe the types are going to be by example mainly.
How's this for a possibility? If someone made a coloney on another planet of only the most good people on the world, and the children grew up in the company of these nearly perfect in actions people, would this universe carry on without misdeeds? (or as little as possible) Or would in time a murderer come up, a person with a rebellious streak even though he or she has never heard of such a sin in his or her life?
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 24, 2005 12:29:07 GMT -5
Who taught Cain to murder?
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 27, 2005 13:28:57 GMT -5
The above^ post has stood unanswered for *counts* four days. Go me...snrk...
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Post by Trinity on Jun 27, 2005 16:30:27 GMT -5
Sin entered the world when Adam and Eve ate from the tree with the fruit of good and evil. After that, man was born with a sin nature. So sin was in Cain from the time he was born.
ARGH!!! I forgot to log in...
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 27, 2005 16:54:04 GMT -5
Thank you, Trinity, for answering the rhetorical question! That's exactly what I had in mind. As much as all of us want to think of little children as innocent, there is no innocent human being. Sin is not an action, it is a heart issue. A child could never move or speak, but it is still a sinner. Admittedly hard to accept, but Bible truth, all the same.
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Post by Caffeinerush on Jun 29, 2005 15:32:37 GMT -5
I agree with the above, and think sin is from a mix of nature and example. I also think when you're a child, you can come back on the right path easier. If you sin a little its forgiven and you go back to being sinless for a little while. Allow me to demonstrate with pics: This is a person who sins sometimes, but does a certain sin a few times or more in a short time and therefore finds it harder to get back on track as time goes on. Sins the same sin more and more, and eventually loses hope to getting back. A person who sins some, but knows they're wrong and stops pretty much right away. This is just a theory, and may not be always right. For example, someone could have a radical experience in their life, and change it forever(doesn't seem to happen very often though).
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Post by Trinity on Jun 29, 2005 16:06:27 GMT -5
My youth pastor has a saying and I think it would go very well here, so here goes.
As a Christian, you can never be sin - less, but you can sin LESS. Like, if you aren't a Christian, you are kind of a slave to sin. But after you become a Christian, you have a choice whether to sin or not. Now, obviously, everyone does sin. It's part of being human. But thankfully, we have a heavenly Father who forgives us!
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 30, 2005 1:38:28 GMT -5
I don't know. I just think it's kind of depressing to see humans as sin sick beings who have no hope of ever doing anything right. Sin Sick is a saying word in it's self.
I'd rather look at the good in things, then always see everyone as sinners. I hate people sometimes, yes, but once you begin "stereotyping" in a sense, you can never really see a person for what they really are.
Ok, maybe I'm not making sense, but once you start seeing people as solely sinners, you will never clearly see the good in people.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 30, 2005 11:58:03 GMT -5
Oh I'm not saying to not look for the good in people, and I definetly don't look at people and mentally think, "Sinner, sinner, sinner..." because yes, that is wrong. But in God's eyes, we are all sinners. But, like I said, He forgives us and loves us. And people do things right, too! I'm not saying that every descision we make is sinful, because it isn't. But sin is a very big part of a person's life (especially for non - Christians, but everyone is included in this), and sin happens. A LOT! It's just a part of life for EVERYBODY. But, like I said, once you accept Christ into your heart, you are no longer bound to it.
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Jun 30, 2005 12:23:46 GMT -5
Which of course is the whole idea...and I, for one, feel a lot better when looking at it with that perspective. Yes, yes. The way I generally look at the whole thing is that God gave Adam and Eve the power of choice, and they exploited that power with the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good & evil. In fact, you might say that sin originated with peer pressure: the serpent to Eve, and Eve to Adam. One more reason to watch out for it today, eh? Breaking free isn't easy. But I've found that people will begin to admire someone that is willing to stand up for what they believe in, even if not everyone agrees with them. I've also found that proclaiming myself as a hopeless SW geek is good practice for beating peer pressure in the Christian sector.
What happened in Eden, I think, has set a perpetual generational curse on mankind, causing us to be born into sin directly. But I agree with Tiana - like personality (IMO), sin is partly "genetic", partly learned by influence.
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Fear Daughter
Ranger of the North
We will find the infidels. And we will give them agony undying...
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Post by Fear Daughter on Jun 30, 2005 14:25:28 GMT -5
I like to look at the bright side of things, too. I can't even stand to be with someone who can only see bad in people. I see potential! I see what God can do, and what He is doing! That's why I'd like to see sinners saved...I don't have to be depressed all the time, because I know that God has a plan to rescue sinners. Like me.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 30, 2005 14:59:48 GMT -5
Exactly, Fear Daughter! Wonderfully put!
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 30, 2005 16:37:02 GMT -5
"But sin is a very big part of a person's life (especially for non - Christians, but everyone is included in this)"
If we look at everyone as equals, meaning throw out religion, color, race, etc. we would see that everyone's "sins" are just as bad as the next person. If a muslim person sins and a christian person sins, the sin it still the same.
By saying that a certain religion is wrong is the same as descrimination to me. Disliking a group of people because of color and disliking a group of people with a different religion are the same exact thing, whether or not you can see it. Saying someone is wrong for what they believe in is just like saying a different colored person is lower than yourself because you are white. When you pick your own religion to be right and then go around saying that religion IS the only right one is just very hypocritical to me. I don't know....
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Jun 30, 2005 18:02:51 GMT -5
I think that's true. However, the way I see it, it's the same as a teacher picking out the difference between a student who answered the question right, and a student who answered it wrong. Discrimination is a touchy word for most subjects, but in this case I think it borders more upon discernment. There's no reason the teacher should make fun of the kid who's wrong, or broadcast the fact, or any such thing like that. But the fact remains that one was right, and the other wrong, and either the teacher can help the kid who made the error, or the fellow classmates can as well. It's stupid to dislike the kid simply because of the error, and I think we can all agree on that. Besides, everyone makes mistakes.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 30, 2005 18:47:30 GMT -5
Whoa, I totally didn't say that! I don't dislike people because of their beliefs. That IS wrong, as you said.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 30, 2005 19:29:36 GMT -5
discriminate - vti discern difference: to recognize or identify a difference Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2004.
I discriminate between truth and falsehood.
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