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Post by Cy Otauna on Aug 11, 2005 12:16:45 GMT -5
It has been 'revealed' (revealed meaning rumored among important Lucasfilm) that the Whills mentioned in the '77 ANH novelization's introduction were in fact a sort of Jedi splintergroup that had found a way to immortality by sortof, erm, being utterly selfless. What's MEI's opinion on the immortality theories around Qui-gon and Obi-wan's post-episode III 'training'? And did Darth Plageus 'create' Anakin? These are the questions the fanworld is wondering about...
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Post by Caffeinerush on Aug 11, 2005 12:36:41 GMT -5
Seems to be a solid theory that Anakin was created by him. No proof yet, I guess.
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Post by Cy Otauna on Aug 12, 2005 10:13:30 GMT -5
I don't like the idea. It's just...a little messed up. To create a whole human being....a human being can't have that power.
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Aug 14, 2005 16:41:48 GMT -5
Hmmm...I don't know...even if Plagueis would have been Sidious' master, he wouldn't have lived long enough to "create" Anakin, taking into account that Palps no doubt had Maul as an apprentice years before Anakin was even conceived, which in turn means Plagueis would have had to been dead, making Palps the Sith master. Anyway. (grins) I tend to use timeline logic a lot. So my answer would be a resounding no, Plagueis didn't have anything to do with little Ani's conception.
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Post by Cy Otauna on Aug 15, 2005 6:23:00 GMT -5
Nice logic. Ani...heehe. That's why he went to the dark side, you know. People kept calling him Annie.
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Aug 15, 2005 21:18:52 GMT -5
(grins) And who can blame him. The first time I heard him being called "Ani", my brain started singing, "TOMORROW, TOMORROW, I LOVE YA, TOMORROW..."
It all went downhill from there. Heh heh heh. There was even the brief mental projection of Jake Lloyd with Pippi Longstocking braids, for some reason...
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Post by Cy Otauna on Aug 25, 2005 19:37:24 GMT -5
LOL! That there is insanity.
Now they say Master Sifo-Dyas was a friend of Dooku's who wasn't really dark side, but I think he was cause he helped start the war from ordering the clone armies...this is new info to me from Labyrinth of Evil.
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Post by Morgana Le Fay on Sept 6, 2005 13:36:41 GMT -5
So my answer would be a resounding no, Plagueis didn't have anything to do with little Ani's conception. Yes, but Palpy could have learned before he killed Plageus. Master Syfo Dyas could have been lightside and thought that he was doing the right thing for the republic. Since he was only getting information about this from Dooku, (who could have twisted it) he had no was to judge the accuracy of it, and only acted on what he thought was good and right. Annie *hmmmm* Now I know what Vader can do in the next Galactic Auditions... |
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Sept 7, 2005 2:21:09 GMT -5
Poor misled Sifo-Dyas...well, it was his baby. He was on the Council, after all, and if a Council member either completely missed the implications of something like that or went dark, the Order was doomed from the start anyhow. But personally, I favour the explanation that Tyranus was just being a big fat liar.
True, Palpy could have learned the process of manipulating midichlorians...if he was Plagueis' student, then that's affirmed by Palpy's own words. Taught him everything he knew and all that. But Palpy also said later on to Vader that only if they worked together would they be able to actually implement that knowledge. Of course, he could have been spewing manipulative lies, too, to make Vader think he was needed...who knows. (grins)
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Post by CR on Sept 7, 2005 10:13:02 GMT -5
You know, it would be funny if we're just making things overly complex and Lucas didn't even think to have it that way.
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Sept 10, 2005 18:13:26 GMT -5
Oh, no doubt. Just like the number of times where I'm writing, and then a reviewer will comment on something inside what I posted, and I didn't even give any conscious thought to it... Heeheehee. But whether GL realises all these things that fans debate on or not...the debates are still fun in 'emselves, eh?
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Post by Morgana Le Fay on Sept 12, 2005 16:30:47 GMT -5
YOu bet - we wouldn't be debating other wise.
I'll vote for the spewing maniputlative lies, although Palpy might have needed Ani's power to do it again...
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Post by Jandalf on Toast on Sept 12, 2005 16:33:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm thinking both are fairly likely in their own rights... Old Palps seems to have this thing for the spewing of manipulative lies, especially when he's in a bad position.
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Post by Morgana Le Fay on Sept 17, 2005 15:40:25 GMT -5
The easy way out.
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Post by Cy Otauna on Sept 17, 2005 15:59:14 GMT -5
He manipulates because he's so incredably good at it. Going reall far-fetched maybe Palp has a Mace-like 'shatterpoint' sensing ability. Or there is the more likely premise that he is just a really smart politically minded guy. There are many ways in which intelligence could lead to darksidedness, expecially if the intelligent person deduces that there is no dark and light side and that Jedi just made it seem that way because they want the power of being respected. Palpy does think that, for whatever reason.
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Post by Morgana Le Fay on Sept 17, 2005 16:10:17 GMT -5
*snrk* Palpy isn't the only one... although, I don't think Jedi are just trying to get respect by having an order - it's the format they can govern themselves best in - or saying that the force is light and dark - 2 flavors, when it really is like water and reflects what it finds in you.
Palpy could be jealous of the Jedi's respect as well, and therefore sets out to destroy them and replace them with his ugly, twisted, manipulative self...
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Post by Cy Otauna on Sept 19, 2005 7:09:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the Jedi are right but only in a way. Then you get into NJO philosphy and stuff...Of course he wants his self in power. Who doesn't?
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