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Post by Dûncariel is Dead. on Jun 14, 2005 17:47:36 GMT -5
Ah, didn't see this before. That's not exactly what I was trying to say. What I meant is simply this -- don't take the Bible out of context. I'm not saying that any part of the Bible is not true. It is the word of God, and is infallible. So, don't take what I said out of context. 'Tis not how I meant it.
I can tell you that I have. And I have conquered it. I have never gone to get professional help, because I mistrust doctors. But I can tell you that I've sat up long nights, not knowing what I'm doing here, what the point of living was. I can tell you that I've honestly thought of committing suicide. I don't say that because I like to popularize that fact, but simply because I know that it can be overcome, even without drugs. I'm not saying that there are people who do not need help, but that there is nothing that cannot be overcome.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 14, 2005 18:20:09 GMT -5
Dun,
There are others who are not so fortunate. Their sickness runs much deeper, is much worse. Perhaps you were stronger than those others, but not everyone has the will to get through it, nor can they. The mind can be our freedom, but it can also be our prison.
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 14, 2005 19:05:52 GMT -5
Sorry, Duncariel. I didn't mean to imply that you agreed with me on all of my points. I wanted to state that you had a valid point and I used it for my own argument as to how it pertains to my point of view.
And yeah, Joan, that was really uncalled for. This may be a sensitive subject, but there's really no need to go and be rude about it. Silver made a valid point that wasn't off topic. The whole purpose of this discussion is to listen to other points of view.
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Post by JoA on Jun 14, 2005 19:06:17 GMT -5
Ack! Mind me not, Silv...my sense of humor is kinda off...
What I was trying to say is that you may want to start a new thread to discuss the issue of murder in more detail, especially if you want to bring animals into that picture. 'Tis beyond the scope of this thread in my *humble* opinion...
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on Jun 14, 2005 19:09:25 GMT -5
Exactly Kaiya. I was just about to say that. She made a valid point and Joan, you were rude. Silver was on topic, so there was no call for that.
((Hiya Kaiya, maybe you'd like to join in on Silver's and my thread in the Reality part of the site. Just an invitation))
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 14, 2005 19:10:53 GMT -5
*thoroughly rebuked* Rude posts be gone, folks.
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Post by SilverSergyon13 on Jun 14, 2005 19:15:14 GMT -5
Ah, I forgive. Don't worry, I'm not THAT cold hearted. Sometimes words and feelings don't get across the computer as effectively as they do when they are spoken.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 14, 2005 19:19:48 GMT -5
THANK YOU!!! That is EXACTLY what I meant. And like I have said before and will probably say again, NOTHING is too big for God.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 14, 2005 19:20:53 GMT -5
Many thanks. : ) *mental note to avoid sarcasm*
Actually, I'm not sure what direction this thread should go in, since it is already off the original "topic". I've been trying to think of ways we can split it up to make more sense and to be simpler without completely wrecking the flow of the conversation. Ideas are slow in coming. *goes off to open admin-approved creation/evolution thread*
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Post by Faust-Dark Lord Reborn on Jun 14, 2005 19:24:24 GMT -5
God himself doesn't help, its the belief in God that does that. Or is that just my opinion? I mean, if God helps you out in depression then the same should be for any other disease as well, shouldn't it?
Its the beliefs in something bigger, that hope you get when you think of it that drags you out of depression. Whether its your kids (not saying anybody here has kids), your spouse, any loved one, self determination, or the belief in god.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 14, 2005 19:33:04 GMT -5
Well, it's true that having something to believe in helps. Absolutely, it can make all the difference. Depression isn't the same as another illness, though...so I'm not sure where you are going with the comparison. In any case, it isn't that God should help us in any situation. I see your point, though. Simply being a Christian is a deterrant to depression, since we know what we're here for, and what really matters. There can be things and conditions that cloud that sight, though...ack! This is so complicated...
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 14, 2005 19:44:04 GMT -5
Yeah, stuff like this usually is. Depression is complicated, religion is complicated, debating is complicated... Gah... I've been all trembly and frustrated ever since I joined this thread because it's so complicated and difficult to discuss. Still, they're all important issues, so someone has to talk about them.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 14, 2005 19:49:04 GMT -5
Thank you so much for saying that. Most people I know don't think it's worth the trouble... That's the most frustrating thing, that people don't think the issues are important enough to discuss. I'm sure my sisters think I'm nuts when all I can talk/think/write about has to do with one debate of religion...I think about this thread all through the day.
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Post by Kaiya on Jun 14, 2005 20:17:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what you mean. It's upsetting. But the subjects that affect us so deeply are usually the most important ones to discuss. You'd think I'd be used to this by now. I've been debating this stuff for the past three years with people. The only problem is that I live in (no offense to anyone here) redneck country, and almost everyone here is conservative and fundamentalist, while I'm about the most liberal person I know. Don't get me wrong, I'm friends with a lot of them and everything, but it's really frustrating to be constantly outnumbered by people who believe that I'm completely wrong about everything I believe. They state their beliefs as facts and refuse to think that there might be more than one right way to live. The worst part is that they're ignorant about everything down here. You guys know how to back up your arguments with valid points. Most of the people at my school that like to debate this stuff with me (more like gang up on me) are not the brightest stars in the sky and mostly popular jocks who can't see past their own perfect little worlds. Argh! Ok. Rant done. I'm off topic here. My point is that this conversation is going to affect all parties involved, whether they want to admit it or not, but at the end the day we all still respect each other and continue to listen to each other.
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jun 14, 2005 20:33:35 GMT -5
That's what I love about being here! When it comes to the serious stuff, people really do get serious and bring up the logic to prove their points. Speaking of which...come on over to the creation/evolution thread, m'dear! ; )
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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jun 16, 2005 18:32:33 GMT -5
very true
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Post by Caffeinerush on Jul 6, 2005 10:44:23 GMT -5
"So is killing someone because of crimes they have committed by using the death penalty."
I respect your belief, but I'd just like to say this. I believe revenge is not right, pretty much no matter what. It may feel good in a twisted way, but it doesn't feel right in the soul. Even if someone is so horrible and nasty, you can still show them mercy. If they're a menace to society and cannot be stoped, then if you have to, kill them. But never out of revenge, but for the good of others.
((I suppose this is a bit off topic))
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jul 6, 2005 14:49:29 GMT -5
I support this. As long as we can contain even the most dangerous and dispicable criminals, I'm hesitant to take God's place by taking life. The punishment may be just, but mercy is also from God.
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Post by Eomer Kenobi- Gaara fan on Jul 25, 2005 19:16:06 GMT -5
hey I didn't write that post up there! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH hacker hacker!
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Post by Joan Omnipresent on Jul 25, 2005 19:21:01 GMT -5
Chill...! The thread's dead, anyway...you prolly just forgot what you'd posted.
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