Opinion is defined by what you observe with your fives senses;
What looks beautiful to one is ugly to the other.
What sounds divine to one is horrible to the other.
What smells amazing to one is repulsive to the other.
What tastes great to one is awful to the other.
What feels good to one is uncomfortable to the other.
Truth is what IS.
Drop a chair and it will fall. Launch it into space and it will still fall, just somewhere else. i.e. Mars.
2+2=4. Doesn't matter what you say 2&2 is 4, 2&2 is 4, 2&2 is 4. It doesn't matter what you call it, i.e. Corns+Lima beans=Succotash. doesn't matter if you use base three or whatever. An amount of 2 put with an amount of 2 equals an amount of 4.
If you put your foot to someones head, you have put your foot to someones head. If you look up the answers for a test, you looked up the answers for a test. Doesn't matter what you or someone else says, you did what you did.
The Universe and everything in it was Created by God. Believe it or not, he did it. Jesus Died To save us from ourselves. Believe it or not, he did. Nothing you can do or say can change that.
Nothing you can do or say can change what is, what was, or what forever shall be.
You can believe the you will not fall if you jump off a building. You can believe you will just float or slowly descend instead. But you will fall.
You can believe that an amount of 2 put with an amount of 2 will make an amount of 3, but it will still make an amount of 4.
You can Deny that you did not look up the answers for a test, But you that does not change the fact that you did what you did.
You can throughly Believe that I did not make this post, but it won't change the fact that I did.
Opinion is what we think about that relates to what we observe with our five senses.
Truth is what is and can never be changed by Opinion or what we do or say.
Post by SilverSergyon13 lazy on Oct 8, 2006 20:57:15 GMT -5
However, the argument of truth lies not with what we say is true or not, but whether or not the bible is true. For most of the other things mentioned, I can go right now and prove them myself (short of jumping off buildings). However, I cannot go and prove that the bible is absolute truth. I can believe it is, but there is no way I could ever prove everything in the bible is tue, short of finding photographic evidence of jesus's life, his bones, an ark, etc.
I still believe that the bible was written by man. No matter how much one tells me it was written by god through man, I will still believe the bible has the potential to be false, just for the fact that it was written by a hand of flesh and bone, by a person with freewill and a brain. THe stories in the bible are effective, I'll give you that, but what proof can you give me other than saying "Well, that's what our religion tells us to believe and it's just accepted truth" that the bible is telling all truth. None. If you can, I'd be interested to hear it.
I'll start with a bit of dry stuff.. so skip down if you want.. The New Testament was written in Greek, not a popular language currently. It was written on Papyrus and has been many times dated to the lifetime of those who knew Christ. Some of you may be familiar with the book of Isaiah, others not so familiar. In 1947, they found the Qumran Scrolls (the Dead Sea Scrolls) which contain an almost exact copy of Isaiah. Scientists affirm the scrolls were written around 150 B.C. They put the current book of Isaiah next to this ancient text. In Isaiah 53, they found only 17 mismatched letters. 10 were spelling errors, 4 were minor style differences (the addition of a conjunction), 3 letters were the Hebrew word for light which is added after 'They shall see" in verse 2. In chapter 53 (the one mentioned above) in the book of Isaiah, there is a prophecy, forseeing the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Now, you could say "lucky guess", right? I'm not so sure you could. In those times, prophecy was taken very seriously, because so much depended on it. If it was discovered that your prophecy was false, you would be stoned. I don't think very many people would be willing to bet their lives on making something like that up.
Ezekiel (chapter 26) speaks of the city of Tyre, a historically recognized city, and talks about the utter decimation of the place, and how it will never again be rebuilt. Most cities get rebuilt after their destruction, no? To this day, Tyre is gone. Nobody has been able to rebuild it.
The apostles (90-160 A.D.) were familiar with almost all of the New Testament, (they made references to it) which means that the people that knew Jesus and lived with him were around to challenge something if they saw a mistake or something that would show controversy to the words of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 28:25 talks about the dispersion of Israel and how it would be defeated by its enemies. Throughout history, Israel has seen a TON of defeat. In the Bible, Israel is defeated by the Egyptians, the Romans, the Canaanites, the Hittites, Babylon, the Philistines, and a lot of other countries/cities.
In Micah 5:2, the writer forsees the birth of Christ in Bethlehem, the specific clan he would be from, Judah. I might be able to post more later. -Ali
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Post by silver lazy on Oct 10, 2006 19:52:49 GMT -5
Also, Silver Why do you Have this Constant Doubt that God's Word is true?
Gah, I'm really tired, so I'll type more later, but I just wanted to type this.
I don't doubt God, I doubt man. I just generally have a hard time trusting others' truths.
I agree that some things in the bible are historically accurate. Some things in the DaVinci code are also historically accurate, but that doesn't make the entire book true. I just can't believe that about the bible either.
Post by WHITE LIFE on Jan 13, 2007 19:42:21 GMT -5
Hmmm.... This is an interesting thread. I hadn't noticed it before. It seems as though Silver is seeking the "Fullness of Truth"? Is that correct Silver? Truth is contained in many philosophies and religious beliefs. But the real question is, "Do you seek the "Fullness of Truth"?